Today’s church is becoming a modern New Age Supermarket where pleasurable and hedonistic “god experiences” are handed out like fresh fruit. We must examine the fruit they say- it is fine as long as the fruit is good. Well, yes I agree the fruit is good. If Sin were not pleasurable it would not tempt us. It is good to look at, it is good to hold, but should you be unfortunate enough to eat this New Age fruit- it will kill you.
Doling out more than her share of this mysterious new fruit is Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic. Patricia King admits to being in both the occult and New Age prior to coming to Christ. Her teachings are blatantly New Age and she openly refers to herself as a “New Mystic.” Her most recent dalliance into neo-paganism comes with her promotion of “Ekstasis,” a form of trance dancing. Her itinerant pastor who doubles as a travelling DJ calls the show “Club Mysterio.” (See video examples at the end of page)
Ekstasis (Ecstasy) is from the Ancient Greek, έκ-στασις (ex-stasis), means to stand outside of oneself or to be removed to somewhere else. Ekstasis worship or trance dancing is known to every pagan culture and is meant to bring the participant to a level of excitement called ecstasy. Trance Dance is a “healing tool” with its roots in many ancient cultures. It is practiced by Shaman.
Listen to how one New Age writer defines and describes the ecstatic form of dancing.
“The purpose of a trance dance is essentially to bring you to a place in the sacred zone where the spirits can reach you…In trance dance, the rhythms and movements combine with the music to create an altered state of consciousness that allows entry into the sacred realm…Allowing the body, and parts of the body, to move to and express rhythms it finds engaging in the moment leads to this meditative state of mind and allows entry into a deeper mythic reality.” Adapted from Circle of Shaman, by Karen Berggren (Inner Traditions, 1998).
Now let’s listen as Patricia King describes trance dancing or “Ekstasis” on her website Extreme Prophetic.
“DJ Caleb Club Mysterio combines ekstasis worship, beats, electronic musical expressions, dance, prayer and a powerful prophetic flow to create a Christian rave experience. Club Mysterio is not a Night Club, it is a Light Club! This new expression of abandoned worship allows you to put feet to your faith as you dance and flow, pressing into the presence of God and experiencing the deep mysteries of intimacy with the Lord...the One who is truly worth raving about!”
Interestingly enough, I also was able to dig up a mail-out flyer from 2007 in which Patricia King invites participants to “Come bring in the New Year at the ultimate party in the secret place. Enter into the glory realm through the hypnotic sounds of Ekstasis music and the powerful sounds of drum and bass and deep house presented by our electronic music master DJ Caleb. (http://www.extremeprophetic.com/mailouts2008/events/xpventsClubMysterio.html)
In stumbling across the website Ekstasis Dance (http://www.ekstasisdance.com/) I was overwhelmed at the striking and non- coincidental similarities between it and Patricia King’s Club Mysterio. This website is written from a Paganistic New Age perspective and is based in the Province of British Columbia, Canada, where Patricia is from. Listen to how they describe this type of dance.
Ekstasis is a Greek word for moving beyond oneself. Since time began we as humans have realized our ability to have sensations that transcend our mundane experience - to experience a journey to enhanced states of consciousness, and find freedom from the perceived constraints of time and space…… It is a chance to reclaim our shamanic heritage of healing through transformational, cathartic experiences. To dance our way into a trance, where we move beyond ourselves to connect with the divine source and bring back the vision of a fuller, more potent existence.” (www.ekstasisdance.com).
It is a well established fact that many of the eastern and esoteric religions employ the techniques of trance dancing. The hypnotic sounds and movements elevate dancers into ecstatic, altered states of consciousness. It is while they are in these altered states of consciousness that they are most open to suggestion, mind control, seduction by deceiving spirits, and spontaneous Kundalini awakenings. However do not be deceived there is no such thing as “Christian” trance dancing.
Don’t eat this fruit no matter how enticing. It is poison.
First example of "Christian" version of "Ekstasis" or trance dancing.
In the second video, around 00:35, the DJ says that you no longer need to study the Word but that it becomes one with you on a cellular level. What??? So am I supposed to follow DJ Caleb when he says I don't have to study the Word? I should just dance and trance until the Word becomes one with my body? Or should I actually do what the Word says and study to show myself approved, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth? Hmmmmmm...well, I don't see anything wrong with music or dancing if it's done for the right reasons, but I don't think I'll be dancing at Club Mysterio with DJ Caleb anytime in this lifetime!!!
I came aross that first clip a couple months ago, and to be frank it floored me. I've seen clips of those events they call 'raves' and that's what i thought it was at first...
My oldest son, 42 and an ex-drug user, (he is now a Christian, and has been the last few years) happened to stop by the day i found the clip so i played it for him. After about 60 seconds he asked me to turn it off--he said it reminded him of his days before coming to Christ....the bars, drugs, etc...
There is a spirit behind this stuff and its not the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Why not read the word EKSTASIS in your concordance? This word is used to describe Peter having a trance in Acts 22:17.
ekstasis (Strong's G1611)
1) any casting down of a thing from its proper place or state, displacement
2) a throwing of the mind out of its normal state, alienation of mind, whether such as makes a lunatic or that of a man who by some sudden emotion is transported as it were out of himself, so that in this rapt condition, although he is awake, his mind is drawn off from all surrounding objects and wholly fixed on things divine that he sees nothing but the forms and images lying within, and thinks that he perceives with his bodily eyes and ears realities shown him by God.
3) amazement, the state of one who, either owing to the importance or the novelty of an event, is thrown into a state of blended fear and wonderment
Anonymous. regarding the word Ekstasis, I agree that is biblical. But the DJ implied studying the word is not necessary. In fairness the whole service is not shown so the clip may be out of context I don't recall...
I believe in EKSTASIS & studying the word. :)
Btw your initials wouldn't be JC or BD would they? You sound like a guy I know.
I would really caution, as I have before, about making direct comparisons between Christian and pagan or non-Christian religious phenomena. There will always be parallels between Christian and non-Christian practices, but this does not create a chain of influence. In other words, it does not mean that one practice is derived from the other. World religions all share a whole bank of underlying religious manifestations. You cannot pick out one expression of religious faith in Christianity and directly parallel it with something which looks similar in another faith system and then make a direct link. There are so many other factors involved. It is too simplistic to say that because pagans practise ecstatic dance and some Christians do, then they are both the same thing. I say all this while still holding that what is going on in Lakeland is lunacy, but we have to discern its origins correctly and respect the evidence and the facts. Michael
I was in a debate with a Bentleyite last week when she said that even Jesus didn't condemn Judas. Another commentor showed with scriptures that Jesus did condemn Judas. Would she be corrected? No. The Holy (?) Spirit in her caused her to write out a poem that proved to her that Jesus did no such thing. Well, later in the debate she mentioned her favorite teachers and, lo and behold! Patricia King is her fave. Her poem took precedence over the Word of God because she trance danced until the Word (?) become one with her. Yep. No need to study the Word! As you can see, it doesn't work at all well. But then, she loves Bentley because she, too, had a conversion just like Bentley did- she saw Jesus! No sinner's prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part, yet she is a child of her Father. Everyone on the forum knew then and there that she is no child of the Living God. Thank you for this article. It helped me to understand what spirit I was dealing with in that debate as I had never heard of this woman. I passed your site along to the other commentors.
It's odd. I just watched all 3 vids. The first 2 made me smile. The 3rd made me feel like I was going to vomit. Could I be discerning the spirit behind each? Perhaps. Though I know we don't judge by our feelings. But Jesus said we would know His voice & another's we would not follow. I too disagree with the statement that we no longer need to study the word, but heard in context, I think I get what the DJ was trying to say. What I've been learning via quantum physics regarding how words/music can impact matter is opening up more understanding about God creating everything via His word, how our words really do contain the power of life or death, even the written word, and now science is catching up to this Biblical truth. And the best of all, that Jesus is the word made manifest/flesh. He says that He writes His words upon our hearts. The word also say that we will have no need that man would teach us, yet God gave us teachers. Perhaps the DJ was referring to the "no study" thing in terms of being so one with Jesus that we know His word & are one with His will via that intimate connection. isn't that the true desire for anyone in this love relationship: that we know Him so well that we can hear His voice & follow His lead in all things.
Have you ever been with Patricia King? She is incredibly anoited by God. We have to read the Word of God. It is the Word we live and die for. We all say things wrong at times or it comes out wrong from our mouths. This man is not her.
Watch for a religious spirit. It kept the pharisees out of heaven. There are many things that God is preparing to release to the body in this season.
I am not concerned with her as a person, I am concerned with what she teaches and much of it DOES NOT line up with scripture. While Todd Bentley is not Patricia King she is his spiritual "mother" so to speak and she is in agreement with all he teaches. I was in this movement for many many years, I know what they teach, and preach. She is a gnostic, new age mystic who is preaching another Christ. In terms of being a Pharisee- this made me smile. I remember they said the same things when I was IN this movement. Every one who does not agree with them has a religious spirit or is "putting God in a box"- they use this on EVERYONE they view as a "gray".Break away from your handlers long enough to read and study the Word for yourself- broad is the way that leads to destruction.
Mishel, your comment to the person above is very accurate. The first bullet that most people try to fire is 'careful of the religeous spirit." Or 'the letter kills" but the 'letter is the 10 commandments, the bible is a light to our path and everything should be tested with scripture.
To the person who commented previously, pray for truth, read the bible and ask God to show you!
Amen, sister. I just started to listen to my church talk so radiantly about Todd Bently but something kept me from watching him. Knowing a lot about deliverance (from demons), I keep in mind that "transference" could be of the wrong kind of spirit as well. So people are submitting themselves to these people without any inkling of the word of God. The word says "do not be hasty in the laying on of hands." For those who do not know this, occultists also lay on hands for transfering "energy" which is basicly demonic. So I am interested to understand that she, Patricia, is a gnostic. That is very eye opening. The gnostics came in and took the real manifest presence of God and his word and traded/blended it for/with paganism and being your own god. Thank you for being bold in sharing these things. And your right, people get funky if you mess with their ignorance! God bless you!
oh dear!!!,thank God that he showed me the light on these 'teachers'.I started suffering from post-natal depression and unfortunatley developed itching ears as a result!...any uplifting,inspirational teacher that professed to be Christian was all good in my book.I think God let me go there to show me i should only follow the words of our Lord Jesus and anything 'extra curricular' to the bible and it's teachings is simply to be disregarded as garbage.
I feel for the people getting taken in and living in bondage to these kinds of teachers.I know i'm not better than them i just know better now thanks to God.I'm a lot more Berean these days.And i have a healthy fear of self rightousness.I'll pray for those being led astray.
I am from India, after reading this article and the comments it really hurts my soul as to how people are taken away from the true nature of Christ and Christianity. This video is very much similar to the things that I see in India, Hindu sadhus (sage) dancing at the sounds of drums and ofter instruments similarly to the above video with a believe that by dancing in this way they are taken to spiritual world and experience supernatural things as well they get sipirtual energy and power. This things can be easily found in places where occultic festivals are held in India. How sad for those people who think that by dancing in this way they can come closer to God, when in fact they are taken miles aways from Him.
After I read this article, I immediately went to search for the definition and use of the ekstasis. I clicked on the first three websites that popped up. The third site gave the same definitions as the first two (the definition beginning in the Greek), and then showed the use in the bible, and where it is found. It was very helpful to understand the word when used in proper context. The site link is: http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/frequency.cgi?number=1611&book=mr&tran...
It WOULD be good to have a healthy fear of self-righteousness. I pray that you will get one. That would mean that you recognize that God--not you--is the one who alone knows the hearts of these people. They are delighting in JESUS, not demons, singing praises to God Most High, they are proclaiming HIS word (if you listen to what the guy says in the second clip, it IS the Bible they are proclaiming while people are worshipping.) He's saying it's not just about knowing it, not ONLY about studying it, but getting it INTO you. FYI--that's what JESUS said when he said "IF you abide (ARE ALIVE IN) me and my word abides (IS ALIVE IN) you..." We MUST get beyond head knowledge. We must be able to Know AND experience the WORD (WHO IS A PERSON, by the way) So this guy has the Words of Jesus AND he's living it! Incidentally, you say you will follow "Only the words of our Lord Jesus." You yourself just added to the words of Jesus by giving yourself permission to judge the hearts of these individuals. Reality check: EVERY time you go to church, the preacher adds to the words of Jesus. Every time you talk with your friends about God or have a discussion on the Bible, you are adding your own understanding and perspective. Hopefully much of it is in line with the truth. But all of us will get to heaven and discover we got some things wrong.
Spent the last few days reading about this mystic christian stuff and just slackjawed in disbelief at these muppets promoting new age junk with mocking, stupid American fratboy humour about getting high on God, etc.. Mr trendy haircut Dunn telling people to Shoot up their neighbour at his meeting a la heroin. It's just appalling and would be hilarious if they were doing it as some performance art money making scheme like Borat or something but I suspect more sinister motives.
Interesting that they invite people to "mainline" the "glo-rahh" ...many smack addicts say they believe Satan is real. Sensitive grunge genius Kurt Cobain said "Opiates are connected to Satan".
But this clubbing your way to the err, divine amuses me no end. The music is like bad early nineties trance/house that clubbers now or older clubbers would dismiss with a cruel dry laugh. So it's a sort of double counterfeit.
Reminds me of film of Rajneesh/Osho people dancing to frenzied Djembe drumming to "raise the energy"/ stimulate kundalini or whatever. Same
Wow...my friends invited me 2 an event w/ mat sorger n patricia king. he told me 2 look up some of thier preachings but when i was listening to their preacings i thought i should do some more research. Well...i did some research and now looking at these videos it just confirms my worries. Thank you 4 revealing this. This is purely demonic and im going to be praying 4 these people and their ministry that hte truth will be revealed. I also hope my friends will listen n believe what i say, if not ill show them this.
I agree. And the two videos didn't seem to have much in common. And I think that so many people tend to forget that Christianity is an eastern religion. It's just been 'americanized' like so many other religions.
Ha, you guys are silly gooses...I personally know DJ Caleb, he's one of my good friends. I think you are taking what he is saying out of context. The guys reads his word everyday. He was saying that the word needs to go beyond an intellectual level and become ingrained in us. Also if you study the word "mystic" you will see that the apostles and saints would fit the definition of a mystic. Let's go deeper people...there is a lost and dying world out there. Let's not tear down people you don't know thus don't truly understand...We as Christians should know better then anyone that it's not enough to know about someone, but it's knowing them personally that we can understand them. So let's build each other up, and get outside the church and be a light in the darkness and focus our attention on the lost and dying...don't go to church...be the church..
Do we need trance music? A Serious Warning is in order.
I heard someone on the radio say something like: "Lucifer persuaded one-third of the angels to rebel against God. Now, THAT'S quite a power of persuasion. How could we, humans, be sure we could easily resist his persuasive delusions?"
There is a new genre of music and so-called "worship" out there right now called Ekstasis, and it is supported and encouraged by prominent ministers part of what they call the "Extreme Prophetic" stream. Some leaders advertize it as the next new thing, some people like it a lot, while others can't even listen to more than a few seconds before they feel defiled. How naive are those who think they can play with the occult and escape falling away? Rationalizing weirdness doesn't change the essence of that weirdness, only its perception.
I would simply like to invite those who are comfortable thinking this is basically about cultural differences or music tastes, to read the following excerpts of an article about trance music available online. It's written by someone who studies trance and teaches how to create tools to induce it. My goal is to offer information that could help dispel the lies before they become an accepted cultural phenomenon in the Church. We've been abused long enough by nasty winds of doctrines. Are we going to be found running, gyrating or mushing with the large crowds on the wide road to perdition? God forbids.
Read on... but be prayerful as you do, and consider what you would do if you found yourself in a conference and this music was blasted through the sound system... I do believe that God-originating spiritual trances happen, but also that artificially-created trances are a tool for manipulating others. Be mindfull of the arts you expose yourself to. Yes, it requires work, and this work is what develops mature men and women in the faith. Otherwise, we remain children and adolescents. While we sleep in the light, the world draws us into its matrix.
Blessings,
Andre
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Trance Inducing Music
by Dennis R. Wier
Director, The Trance Institute, Bruetten, Switzerland
'Pure' trance inducing music is simple to produce. All that is needed is at least three or four (or more) individually engaging rhythms. Some kinds of reggae music does this, so do the canons of J.S.Bach. In much so-called generic trance music only two rhythms are used, and only occasionally three. The 'engaging' aspect of trance inducing rhythms is important. What may be 'engaging' to one person may be repulsive to someone else. Repeating rhythms can be perceived as 'boring' but it is precisely this 'boring' aspect which is the precursor to trance. If a rhythm is 'engaging' and not boring, then trance is certain to occur. How to make a rhythm engaging is implied by trance theory.
One important characteristic of successful trance inducing music is what trance theory would call 'modulating the dissociated trance plane'. The music of shamans and many aboriginal tribes create effective music which modulates the dissociated trance plane by slightly varying the underlying trance generating loop.
The fundamental repetition is the trance generating loop (TGL) and the variations in each repetition results in the modulation of the dissociated trance plane. It is for this reason that the sounds of nature tend to produce trance. The type of variations within the TGL determine to a great degree the effectiveness and depth of the trance.
When there is some 'subtilty' or artistry in the creation and modulation of the DTP, then the trance is compelling and there is an increase in the trance force.
THE ROLE OF REPETITION
The trance force is a measure of the strength of a trance in units called a 'wyrd'. (Andre: the meaning of - wyrd - : 'fate', 'destiny', 'that which is to come'. Also: " The web of cause-and-effect that permeates the universe. The Germanic/North European equivalent of 'karma'"). Without going into too much technical detail here if some assumptions are made and results simplified, the wyrd is proportional to the log of the number of repetitions of a loop and inversely related to the number of elements in a loop. Wyrds are additive, so the trance force increases with more than one loop. The range of values of the wyrd are pretty much what you would expect in a musical setting.
A loud, heavy beat is not necessary. Loudness or heavyness is not of itself productive of trance.
Repetition produces trance. But it will be the type of repetition which is 'engaging' or which produces an involvement with the inner reality. In some trance music - such as goa - there are multiple loops, some of which are subtle. Subtle loops tend to bring the attention to a finer focus. The resulting splitting or dissociation results in trance. But that is not the whole story. What 'subtle' is to one person may be different for another. The effect - which is to say, which cognitive functions are disabled - is another story. (bold and underlined by me, Andre). Again, this can vary between persons listening to the same music. Another consideration is the order in which cognitive functions are disabled, and finally, what additional processes are being encouraged when these cognitive functions are disabled. In other words, how is this state of mind being used?
One of the reasons that 'trance music' works to produce trance is that there are long periods of the same loop or loops. The long repetitions add to the wyrd logarithmically. This is generally not enough, so secondary loops are invariably added to increase the wyrd and make the music successful as a trance producer.
TRANCE: BREAKING AND ENTERING INTO SOULS
At the point that a deep trance is produced, subliminal messages could be introduced with effectiveness. The content of the suggestions should be carefully crafted to empower. Suggestions will also affect the music producer.
Most instances of trance music do not allow sufficient time for deeper trances to develop, as complexities are introduced too quickly. Remember, in shamanistic trances, drumming would go on for days. Subtile changes in the rhythm and melodic structures over time will produce deep trances because it is the 'subtilty' which is engaging. (bold and underline by Andre) Commercial trance music should continue for a minimum of 20 minutes to induce deep trance. Perhaps we are all fortunate that such long trance music riffs almost never happen.
Trance theory mentions secondary trance loops and multiple dissociated trance planes. (bolded and underlined by Andre). I can show you how this has a musical equivalent. It is possible to produce schizophrenic-like behavior from music alone.(bold and underline by Andre) You don't want to do that, right? (italics by the article's author)
It is also possible to produce 'addictive trance music'. Jeez! Why would anyone want to do that? (italics by the article's author)
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NOW, WHAT?
The author's last two comments are very telling to me. It seems as if he was winking... As if he wanted to appear "tongue in cheek" but in reality telling us we can follow this recipe and it would work, and we could subtely control people through trance music. He can't come right out and say it... but we can hear it in his comments.
The question remains: once you have created the trance, what then? We know the answer to that, don't we? This is very important, because we are assisting at the birth of a new deformation of Christianity, one that is building a tower to the heavens, engaging people through complex marketing methods. The New Age overtones associated with post-Renewal doctrines and methods is too obvious to miss anymore. How far are regular folks gong to follow the leaders who advocate this strange Gospel? Political-correctness has seized the Church too, and we're blamed for telling it like we see it. Calling a sin a sin, and a delusion a delusion.
I am urging each of you to consider this: once a system is established and well deveopped, is God still necessary in the picture? Or is He like the British Monarchy, a prop? If He is God, then let's consider smashing the idols, let's consider exposing the delusion, let's come out and offer an alternative to the lies, let's present a front to fight and contend for truth, for one of the few times in Church history.
This is not about a boring battle of music tastes, but a necessary request for accountability and genuineness of the Gospel that is preached, and the true goals sought, even if those in the picture don't see they are being used and abused by a system they themselves have become dependent upon: where are the true apostles and prophets?
I pray this has provoked healthy questions in you, and that you will find your footing in the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Holy Spirit of God will lead you into all truth.
I have been given the gift of discernment and I know what is from God and What isn't...Patricia King is highly annointed of God and everytime I hear her speak or visit her website I feel the Holy Spirit very deeply. God Has made her a bright shining light in this world because she is faithful to go into the darkest places and lead people out in Jesus Name.It states in the Bible that God uses the foolish to confound the wise..And I seem to remember reading about David dancing in public(perhaps Naked) Before his God-our God and everything Patricia does is in Jesus name and for the love of Jesus. Now I am sure if she danced In her Underwear in worship of the Lord That would make you feel embarraced and shameful...and you wouldn't like that..well it's a good thing it isn't about you It is about Jesus. I am sure Jesus made the Pharasees embarraced and I am sure Stephan was stoned for that very reason. Are any of you ready to take up stones? As for The ecstacy dance I am sure she means the ecstacy of the Holy Spirit something I am sure most of you know nothing about! You are like one winged birds worshiping in truth but not Spirit. If you were in the spirit you would know Jesus by the sound of his voice. And if you were not in the spirit when you watched her videos that uncomfortable feeling you got is probably conviction of the holy spirit. Change and regenerate in the Holy Spirit or corrective judgement will fall upon you!( I am not talking about condemnation- not yet anyway(there is still a chance for you like God Gave Paul the pharasee a chance) God uses the foolish to confound the wise and perhaps if you don't endorse the ministry that Patricia King is in(Like the Pharasees didn't endorse Jesus) it really doesn't matter because believe me The Lord Jesus and God the Father does. Final note.. I am not a pleaser of man I am a pleaser of God!!! Glory to God and down with the religious spirit
~Soldier For Christ
PS~ As for Todd Bentley He may have his faults(we all do) But when he laid hands on me Fresh fire flowed into me straight from the throne of God, Fresh Fire sets us aside for the miraculous and signs and wonders that follow the word in witnessing. John stated: There is one coming after me...that will babtise you with the Holy Spirit and Fire. If you haven't expirienced this babtism ask God if there is something missing in your lives and he will show you. Don't be foolish. Make sure you have oil in your lamps or you won't be invited to the feast amen? So be it.
Another thing..ecstacy does not mean being brought out of ones self- It means being brought to a place you have never been before-like Mount Zion as an example. deception does bite- The Lord rebuke thee.
And she never called it trance dancing-YOU DID! Just another example of one adding secular to the sacred. As for the emerging Church:
Habakkuk 1:5 (New International Version)
The Lord 's Answer
5 "Look at the nations and watch—
and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days
that you would not believe,
even if you were told.
Reply to Sherry C
" But then, she loves Bentley because she, too, had a conversion just like Bentley did- she saw Jesus! No sinner's prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part, yet she is a child of her Father. Everyone on the forum knew then and there that she is no child of the Living God.
No sinners Prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part? Sound like a rhyme of witchcraft
but unfortunately for you it is just not true- a Rhyme from above.
She had a conversion just like Bentley did? How about a conversion just like Paul did on the road to demascus? It sounds like you are still on that road.
Grace to you.
I just watched the three video's. Thank you deception bites I got filled with the spirit!
Matthew 9:16-17 (New International Version)
16"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
I understand if you don't like it...You prefer the old wine. But please try not to come against the new wine and say that new age fruit will kill us.
Why did you put that third example in there...Gross. The Lord rebuke thee for comparing pagan rituals to Christian. The spirit of error always exposes itself. Thanks for the first two...dude you need deliverance.
That's my comment above...oi vey.. I put on the third video and imediately was attacked by demons...The first two are great but the third? Get out of your head-one winged bird. Satan is such a loser.
On the second video if you listen to it, it actually says "..your moving around, while THE WORDS THAT YOUR SPEAKING become one at a cellular level in your body.."
Now how on earth did you get that DJ Caleb is saying to abandon your bibles out of that? Seriously? He's talking about speaking out praise for God when you are dancing, and that that becomes more than just words, you feel the Holy Spirit inside you.
So I want you to show me where it says in scripture NOT to seek the presence of the Holy Spirit. And I want you to show me in scripture where it says NOT to speak praises to God. And I want you to show me in THE WORD OF GOD where it says NOT to Dance before God.
If you remember in 2nd Samuel, David danced before God and his wife Micah made fun of him for it and chastised him. She was barren for the rest of her life. Now let me ask you, who do you think is FOR dancing in ecstacy before God, and who is against it?
I rebuke you spirit of religion in the name of Jesus Christ!
Furthermore, when you refer to the "..it's no longer that you have to study the word, it's that your inside of an infused atmosphere..and the word is coming" have you considered why he used the word "study"?
Since your so accurate in your judgements, do you know the difference between "studying" the word vs. "recieving" the word? Because surely you didn't just take one thing out of context and declare him a pagan without listening to the rest of his sentence did you? He is talking about a prophetic movement of the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul asked you to fervently pray for a prophetic gifting. That way you can hear directly from the Holy Spirit, and then see if it lines up with scripture. But you probably don't believe that God is able to speak to us, even though scripture itself says that his Spirit (Holy) will be poured out in the last days.
So what he is saying is that you dont have to read the bible like a college textbook seeking just knowledge and mental understanding. Satan did after all start all sin in us with lusting after knowledge and knowing LIKE God. This man is asking you to read the bible not to know LIKE God, but to KNOW God. That is the entire context in which he was saying it.
Remember what Gamaliel said when Jesus was being tried? If it's not of God, let it fall by itself. If it is of God, who are we to stand against it?
Why the need to accuse DJ Caleb so fiercly? Who's spirit is the accuser of the brethren, Satan's or Jesus's?
Today’s church is becoming a modern New Age Supermarket where pleasurable and hedonistic “god experiences” are handed out like fresh fruit. We must examine the fruit they say- it is fine as long as the fruit is good. Well, yes I agree the fruit is good. If Sin were not pleasurable it would not tempt us. It is good to look at, it is good to hold, but should you be unfortunate enough to eat this New Age fruit- it will kill you. 
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In the second video, around
In the second video, around 00:35, the DJ says that you no longer need to study the Word but that it becomes one with you on a cellular level. What??? So am I supposed to follow DJ Caleb when he says I don't have to study the Word? I should just dance and trance until the Word becomes one with my body? Or should I actually do what the Word says and study to show myself approved, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth? Hmmmmmm...well, I don't see anything wrong with music or dancing if it's done for the right reasons, but I don't think I'll be dancing at Club Mysterio with DJ Caleb anytime in this lifetime!!!
I came aross that first clip
I came aross that first clip a couple months ago, and to be frank it floored me. I've seen clips of those events they call 'raves' and that's what i thought it was at first...
My oldest son, 42 and an ex-drug user, (he is now a Christian, and has been the last few years) happened to stop by the day i found the clip so i played it for him. After about 60 seconds he asked me to turn it off--he said it reminded him of his days before coming to Christ....the bars, drugs, etc...
There is a spirit behind this stuff and its not the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Why not read the word
Why not read the word EKSTASIS in your concordance? This word is used to describe Peter having a trance in Acts 22:17.
ekstasis (Strong's G1611)
1) any casting down of a thing from its proper place or state, displacement
2) a throwing of the mind out of its normal state, alienation of mind, whether such as makes a lunatic or that of a man who by some sudden emotion is transported as it were out of himself, so that in this rapt condition, although he is awake, his mind is drawn off from all surrounding objects and wholly fixed on things divine that he sees nothing but the forms and images lying within, and thinks that he perceives with his bodily eyes and ears realities shown him by God.
3) amazement, the state of one who, either owing to the importance or the novelty of an event, is thrown into a state of blended fear and wonderment
Anonymous. regarding the
Anonymous. regarding the word Ekstasis, I agree that is biblical. But the DJ implied studying the word is not necessary. In fairness the whole service is not shown so the clip may be out of context I don't recall...
I believe in EKSTASIS & studying the word. :)
Btw your initials wouldn't be JC or BD would they? You sound like a guy I know.
That is disturbing on so many
That is disturbing on so many levels. Wow.
I would really caution, as I
I would really caution, as I have before, about making direct comparisons between Christian and pagan or non-Christian religious phenomena. There will always be parallels between Christian and non-Christian practices, but this does not create a chain of influence. In other words, it does not mean that one practice is derived from the other. World religions all share a whole bank of underlying religious manifestations. You cannot pick out one expression of religious faith in Christianity and directly parallel it with something which looks similar in another faith system and then make a direct link. There are so many other factors involved. It is too simplistic to say that because pagans practise ecstatic dance and some Christians do, then they are both the same thing. I say all this while still holding that what is going on in Lakeland is lunacy, but we have to discern its origins correctly and respect the evidence and the facts. Michael
I was in a debate with a
I was in a debate with a Bentleyite last week when she said that even Jesus didn't condemn Judas. Another commentor showed with scriptures that Jesus did condemn Judas. Would she be corrected? No. The Holy (?) Spirit in her caused her to write out a poem that proved to her that Jesus did no such thing. Well, later in the debate she mentioned her favorite teachers and, lo and behold! Patricia King is her fave. Her poem took precedence over the Word of God because she trance danced until the Word (?) become one with her. Yep. No need to study the Word! As you can see, it doesn't work at all well. But then, she loves Bentley because she, too, had a conversion just like Bentley did- she saw Jesus! No sinner's prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part, yet she is a child of her Father. Everyone on the forum knew then and there that she is no child of the Living God. Thank you for this article. It helped me to understand what spirit I was dealing with in that debate as I had never heard of this woman. I passed your site along to the other commentors.
From the looks of these
From the looks of these videos and others like them - the frog in the kettle is now fully boiling!
It's odd. I just watched all
It's odd. I just watched all 3 vids. The first 2 made me smile. The 3rd made me feel like I was going to vomit. Could I be discerning the spirit behind each? Perhaps. Though I know we don't judge by our feelings. But Jesus said we would know His voice & another's we would not follow. I too disagree with the statement that we no longer need to study the word, but heard in context, I think I get what the DJ was trying to say. What I've been learning via quantum physics regarding how words/music can impact matter is opening up more understanding about God creating everything via His word, how our words really do contain the power of life or death, even the written word, and now science is catching up to this Biblical truth. And the best of all, that Jesus is the word made manifest/flesh. He says that He writes His words upon our hearts. The word also say that we will have no need that man would teach us, yet God gave us teachers. Perhaps the DJ was referring to the "no study" thing in terms of being so one with Jesus that we know His word & are one with His will via that intimate connection. isn't that the true desire for anyone in this love relationship: that we know Him so well that we can hear His voice & follow His lead in all things.
Have you ever been with
Have you ever been with Patricia King? She is incredibly anoited by God. We have to read the Word of God. It is the Word we live and die for. We all say things wrong at times or it comes out wrong from our mouths. This man is not her.
Watch for a religious spirit. It kept the pharisees out of heaven. There are many things that God is preparing to release to the body in this season.
I am not concerned with her
I am not concerned with her as a person, I am concerned with what she teaches and much of it DOES NOT line up with scripture. While Todd Bentley is not Patricia King she is his spiritual "mother" so to speak and she is in agreement with all he teaches. I was in this movement for many many years, I know what they teach, and preach. She is a gnostic, new age mystic who is preaching another Christ. In terms of being a Pharisee- this made me smile. I remember they said the same things when I was IN this movement. Every one who does not agree with them has a religious spirit or is "putting God in a box"- they use this on EVERYONE they view as a "gray".Break away from your handlers long enough to read and study the Word for yourself- broad is the way that leads to destruction.
Mishel, your comment to the
Mishel, your comment to the person above is very accurate. The first bullet that most people try to fire is 'careful of the religeous spirit." Or 'the letter kills" but the 'letter is the 10 commandments, the bible is a light to our path and everything should be tested with scripture.
To the person who commented previously, pray for truth, read the bible and ask God to show you!
Amen, sister. I just started
Amen, sister. I just started to listen to my church talk so radiantly about Todd Bently but something kept me from watching him. Knowing a lot about deliverance (from demons), I keep in mind that "transference" could be of the wrong kind of spirit as well. So people are submitting themselves to these people without any inkling of the word of God. The word says "do not be hasty in the laying on of hands." For those who do not know this, occultists also lay on hands for transfering "energy" which is basicly demonic. So I am interested to understand that she, Patricia, is a gnostic. That is very eye opening. The gnostics came in and took the real manifest presence of God and his word and traded/blended it for/with paganism and being your own god. Thank you for being bold in sharing these things. And your right, people get funky if you mess with their ignorance! God bless you!
oh dear!!!,thank God that he
oh dear!!!,thank God that he showed me the light on these 'teachers'.I started suffering from post-natal depression and unfortunatley developed itching ears as a result!...any uplifting,inspirational teacher that professed to be Christian was all good in my book.I think God let me go there to show me i should only follow the words of our Lord Jesus and anything 'extra curricular' to the bible and it's teachings is simply to be disregarded as garbage.
I feel for the people getting taken in and living in bondage to these kinds of teachers.I know i'm not better than them i just know better now thanks to God.I'm a lot more Berean these days.And i have a healthy fear of self rightousness.I'll pray for those being led astray.
I am from India, after
I am from India, after reading this article and the comments it really hurts my soul as to how people are taken away from the true nature of Christ and Christianity. This video is very much similar to the things that I see in India, Hindu sadhus (sage) dancing at the sounds of drums and ofter instruments similarly to the above video with a believe that by dancing in this way they are taken to spiritual world and experience supernatural things as well they get sipirtual energy and power. This things can be easily found in places where occultic festivals are held in India. How sad for those people who think that by dancing in this way they can come closer to God, when in fact they are taken miles aways from Him.
After I read this article, I
After I read this article, I immediately went to search for the definition and use of the ekstasis. I clicked on the first three websites that popped up. The third site gave the same definitions as the first two (the definition beginning in the Greek), and then showed the use in the bible, and where it is found. It was very helpful to understand the word when used in proper context. The site link is: http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/frequency.cgi?number=1611&book=mr&tran...
It WOULD be good to have a
It WOULD be good to have a healthy fear of self-righteousness. I pray that you will get one. That would mean that you recognize that God--not you--is the one who alone knows the hearts of these people. They are delighting in JESUS, not demons, singing praises to God Most High, they are proclaiming HIS word (if you listen to what the guy says in the second clip, it IS the Bible they are proclaiming while people are worshipping.) He's saying it's not just about knowing it, not ONLY about studying it, but getting it INTO you. FYI--that's what JESUS said when he said "IF you abide (ARE ALIVE IN) me and my word abides (IS ALIVE IN) you..." We MUST get beyond head knowledge. We must be able to Know AND experience the WORD (WHO IS A PERSON, by the way) So this guy has the Words of Jesus AND he's living it! Incidentally, you say you will follow "Only the words of our Lord Jesus." You yourself just added to the words of Jesus by giving yourself permission to judge the hearts of these individuals. Reality check: EVERY time you go to church, the preacher adds to the words of Jesus. Every time you talk with your friends about God or have a discussion on the Bible, you are adding your own understanding and perspective. Hopefully much of it is in line with the truth. But all of us will get to heaven and discover we got some things wrong.
Spent the last few days
Spent the last few days reading about this mystic christian stuff and just slackjawed in disbelief at these muppets promoting new age junk with mocking, stupid American fratboy humour about getting high on God, etc.. Mr trendy haircut Dunn telling people to Shoot up their neighbour at his meeting a la heroin. It's just appalling and would be hilarious if they were doing it as some performance art money making scheme like Borat or something but I suspect more sinister motives.
Interesting that they invite people to "mainline" the "glo-rahh" ...many smack addicts say they believe Satan is real. Sensitive grunge genius Kurt Cobain said "Opiates are connected to Satan".
But this clubbing your way to the err, divine amuses me no end. The music is like bad early nineties trance/house that clubbers now or older clubbers would dismiss with a cruel dry laugh. So it's a sort of double counterfeit.
Reminds me of film of Rajneesh/Osho people dancing to frenzied Djembe drumming to "raise the energy"/ stimulate kundalini or whatever. Same
spirit.
Wow...my friends invited me 2
Wow...my friends invited me 2 an event w/ mat sorger n patricia king. he told me 2 look up some of thier preachings but when i was listening to their preacings i thought i should do some more research. Well...i did some research and now looking at these videos it just confirms my worries. Thank you 4 revealing this. This is purely demonic and im going to be praying 4 these people and their ministry that hte truth will be revealed. I also hope my friends will listen n believe what i say, if not ill show them this.
I agree. And the two videos
I agree. And the two videos didn't seem to have much in common. And I think that so many people tend to forget that Christianity is an eastern religion. It's just been 'americanized' like so many other religions.
In comment #21, I was
In comment #21, I was agreeing with comment #4.
Ha, you guys are silly
Ha, you guys are silly gooses...I personally know DJ Caleb, he's one of my good friends. I think you are taking what he is saying out of context. The guys reads his word everyday. He was saying that the word needs to go beyond an intellectual level and become ingrained in us. Also if you study the word "mystic" you will see that the apostles and saints would fit the definition of a mystic. Let's go deeper people...there is a lost and dying world out there. Let's not tear down people you don't know thus don't truly understand...We as Christians should know better then anyone that it's not enough to know about someone, but it's knowing them personally that we can understand them. So let's build each other up, and get outside the church and be a light in the darkness and focus our attention on the lost and dying...don't go to church...be the church..
Response #9 Jalnor wrote
Response #9 Jalnor wrote "From the looks of these videos and others like them - the frog in the kettle is now fully boiling!"
Awesome response Jackie and so appropriate.
Do we need trance music? A
Do we need trance music? A Serious Warning is in order.
I heard someone on the radio say something like: "Lucifer persuaded one-third of the angels to rebel against God. Now, THAT'S quite a power of persuasion. How could we, humans, be sure we could easily resist his persuasive delusions?"
There is a new genre of music and so-called "worship" out there right now called Ekstasis, and it is supported and encouraged by prominent ministers part of what they call the "Extreme Prophetic" stream. Some leaders advertize it as the next new thing, some people like it a lot, while others can't even listen to more than a few seconds before they feel defiled. How naive are those who think they can play with the occult and escape falling away? Rationalizing weirdness doesn't change the essence of that weirdness, only its perception.
I would simply like to invite those who are comfortable thinking this is basically about cultural differences or music tastes, to read the following excerpts of an article about trance music available online. It's written by someone who studies trance and teaches how to create tools to induce it. My goal is to offer information that could help dispel the lies before they become an accepted cultural phenomenon in the Church. We've been abused long enough by nasty winds of doctrines. Are we going to be found running, gyrating or mushing with the large crowds on the wide road to perdition? God forbids.
Read on... but be prayerful as you do, and consider what you would do if you found yourself in a conference and this music was blasted through the sound system... I do believe that God-originating spiritual trances happen, but also that artificially-created trances are a tool for manipulating others. Be mindfull of the arts you expose yourself to. Yes, it requires work, and this work is what develops mature men and women in the faith. Otherwise, we remain children and adolescents. While we sleep in the light, the world draws us into its matrix.
Blessings,
Andre
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Trance Inducing Music
by Dennis R. Wier
Director, The Trance Institute, Bruetten, Switzerland
'Pure' trance inducing music is simple to produce. All that is needed is at least three or four (or more) individually engaging rhythms. Some kinds of reggae music does this, so do the canons of J.S.Bach. In much so-called generic trance music only two rhythms are used, and only occasionally three. The 'engaging' aspect of trance inducing rhythms is important. What may be 'engaging' to one person may be repulsive to someone else. Repeating rhythms can be perceived as 'boring' but it is precisely this 'boring' aspect which is the precursor to trance. If a rhythm is 'engaging' and not boring, then trance is certain to occur. How to make a rhythm engaging is implied by trance theory.
One important characteristic of successful trance inducing music is what trance theory would call 'modulating the dissociated trance plane'. The music of shamans and many aboriginal tribes create effective music which modulates the dissociated trance plane by slightly varying the underlying trance generating loop.
The fundamental repetition is the trance generating loop (TGL) and the variations in each repetition results in the modulation of the dissociated trance plane. It is for this reason that the sounds of nature tend to produce trance. The type of variations within the TGL determine to a great degree the effectiveness and depth of the trance.
When there is some 'subtilty' or artistry in the creation and modulation of the DTP, then the trance is compelling and there is an increase in the trance force.
THE ROLE OF REPETITION
The trance force is a measure of the strength of a trance in units called a 'wyrd'. (Andre: the meaning of - wyrd - : 'fate', 'destiny', 'that which is to come'. Also: " The web of cause-and-effect that permeates the universe. The Germanic/North European equivalent of 'karma'"). Without going into too much technical detail here if some assumptions are made and results simplified, the wyrd is proportional to the log of the number of repetitions of a loop and inversely related to the number of elements in a loop. Wyrds are additive, so the trance force increases with more than one loop. The range of values of the wyrd are pretty much what you would expect in a musical setting.
A loud, heavy beat is not necessary. Loudness or heavyness is not of itself productive of trance.
Repetition produces trance. But it will be the type of repetition which is 'engaging' or which produces an involvement with the inner reality. In some trance music - such as goa - there are multiple loops, some of which are subtle. Subtle loops tend to bring the attention to a finer focus. The resulting splitting or dissociation results in trance. But that is not the whole story. What 'subtle' is to one person may be different for another. The effect - which is to say, which cognitive functions are disabled - is another story. (bold and underlined by me, Andre). Again, this can vary between persons listening to the same music. Another consideration is the order in which cognitive functions are disabled, and finally, what additional processes are being encouraged when these cognitive functions are disabled. In other words, how is this state of mind being used?
One of the reasons that 'trance music' works to produce trance is that there are long periods of the same loop or loops. The long repetitions add to the wyrd logarithmically. This is generally not enough, so secondary loops are invariably added to increase the wyrd and make the music successful as a trance producer.
TRANCE: BREAKING AND ENTERING INTO SOULS
At the point that a deep trance is produced, subliminal messages could be introduced with effectiveness. The content of the suggestions should be carefully crafted to empower. Suggestions will also affect the music producer.
Most instances of trance music do not allow sufficient time for deeper trances to develop, as complexities are introduced too quickly. Remember, in shamanistic trances, drumming would go on for days. Subtile changes in the rhythm and melodic structures over time will produce deep trances because it is the 'subtilty' which is engaging. (bold and underline by Andre) Commercial trance music should continue for a minimum of 20 minutes to induce deep trance. Perhaps we are all fortunate that such long trance music riffs almost never happen.
Trance theory mentions secondary trance loops and multiple dissociated trance planes. (bolded and underlined by Andre). I can show you how this has a musical equivalent. It is possible to produce schizophrenic-like behavior from music alone.(bold and underline by Andre) You don't want to do that, right? (italics by the article's author)
It is also possible to produce 'addictive trance music'. Jeez! Why would anyone want to do that? (italics by the article's author)
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NOW, WHAT?
The author's last two comments are very telling to me. It seems as if he was winking... As if he wanted to appear "tongue in cheek" but in reality telling us we can follow this recipe and it would work, and we could subtely control people through trance music. He can't come right out and say it... but we can hear it in his comments.
The question remains: once you have created the trance, what then? We know the answer to that, don't we? This is very important, because we are assisting at the birth of a new deformation of Christianity, one that is building a tower to the heavens, engaging people through complex marketing methods. The New Age overtones associated with post-Renewal doctrines and methods is too obvious to miss anymore. How far are regular folks gong to follow the leaders who advocate this strange Gospel? Political-correctness has seized the Church too, and we're blamed for telling it like we see it. Calling a sin a sin, and a delusion a delusion.
I am urging each of you to consider this: once a system is established and well deveopped, is God still necessary in the picture? Or is He like the British Monarchy, a prop? If He is God, then let's consider smashing the idols, let's consider exposing the delusion, let's come out and offer an alternative to the lies, let's present a front to fight and contend for truth, for one of the few times in Church history.
This is not about a boring battle of music tastes, but a necessary request for accountability and genuineness of the Gospel that is preached, and the true goals sought, even if those in the picture don't see they are being used and abused by a system they themselves have become dependent upon: where are the true apostles and prophets?
I pray this has provoked healthy questions in you, and that you will find your footing in the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Holy Spirit of God will lead you into all truth.
Blessings, and much love in Christ,
Andre Lefebvre
soakingnet@gmail.com
I have been given the gift of
I have been given the gift of discernment and I know what is from God and What isn't...Patricia King is highly annointed of God and everytime I hear her speak or visit her website I feel the Holy Spirit very deeply. God Has made her a bright shining light in this world because she is faithful to go into the darkest places and lead people out in Jesus Name.It states in the Bible that God uses the foolish to confound the wise..And I seem to remember reading about David dancing in public(perhaps Naked) Before his God-our God and everything Patricia does is in Jesus name and for the love of Jesus. Now I am sure if she danced In her Underwear in worship of the Lord That would make you feel embarraced and shameful...and you wouldn't like that..well it's a good thing it isn't about you It is about Jesus. I am sure Jesus made the Pharasees embarraced and I am sure Stephan was stoned for that very reason. Are any of you ready to take up stones? As for The ecstacy dance I am sure she means the ecstacy of the Holy Spirit something I am sure most of you know nothing about! You are like one winged birds worshiping in truth but not Spirit. If you were in the spirit you would know Jesus by the sound of his voice. And if you were not in the spirit when you watched her videos that uncomfortable feeling you got is probably conviction of the holy spirit. Change and regenerate in the Holy Spirit or corrective judgement will fall upon you!( I am not talking about condemnation- not yet anyway(there is still a chance for you like God Gave Paul the pharasee a chance) God uses the foolish to confound the wise and perhaps if you don't endorse the ministry that Patricia King is in(Like the Pharasees didn't endorse Jesus) it really doesn't matter because believe me The Lord Jesus and God the Father does. Final note.. I am not a pleaser of man I am a pleaser of God!!! Glory to God and down with the religious spirit
~Soldier For Christ
PS~ As for Todd Bentley He may have his faults(we all do) But when he laid hands on me Fresh fire flowed into me straight from the throne of God, Fresh Fire sets us aside for the miraculous and signs and wonders that follow the word in witnessing. John stated: There is one coming after me...that will babtise you with the Holy Spirit and Fire. If you haven't expirienced this babtism ask God if there is something missing in your lives and he will show you. Don't be foolish. Make sure you have oil in your lamps or you won't be invited to the feast amen? So be it.
Another thing..ecstacy does
Another thing..ecstacy does not mean being brought out of ones self- It means being brought to a place you have never been before-like Mount Zion as an example. deception does bite- The Lord rebuke thee.
And she never called it
And she never called it trance dancing-YOU DID! Just another example of one adding secular to the sacred. As for the emerging Church:
Habakkuk 1:5 (New International Version)
The Lord 's Answer
5 "Look at the nations and watch—
and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days
that you would not believe,
even if you were told.
Reply to Sherry C " But then,
Reply to Sherry C
" But then, she loves Bentley because she, too, had a conversion just like Bentley did- she saw Jesus! No sinner's prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part, yet she is a child of her Father. Everyone on the forum knew then and there that she is no child of the Living God.
No sinners Prayer with a contrite heart and no repentance on her part? Sound like a rhyme of witchcraft
but unfortunately for you it is just not true- a Rhyme from above.
She had a conversion just like Bentley did? How about a conversion just like Paul did on the road to demascus? It sounds like you are still on that road.
Grace to you.
Sorry to be so harsh but
Sorry to be so harsh but Proverbs states "Stripes are for the backs of fools"
As for Timber...you are
As for Timber...you are sounding a little unstable.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I just watched the three
I just watched the three video's. Thank you deception bites I got filled with the spirit!
Matthew 9:16-17 (New International Version)
16"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
I understand if you don't like it...You prefer the old wine. But please try not to come against the new wine and say that new age fruit will kill us.
Why did you put that third
Why did you put that third example in there...Gross. The Lord rebuke thee for comparing pagan rituals to Christian. The spirit of error always exposes itself. Thanks for the first two...dude you need deliverance.
That's my comment above...oi
That's my comment above...oi vey.. I put on the third video and imediately was attacked by demons...The first two are great but the third? Get out of your head-one winged bird. Satan is such a loser.
God bless Patricia King!!!
God bless Patricia King!!!
On the second video if you
On the second video if you listen to it, it actually says "..your moving around, while THE WORDS THAT YOUR SPEAKING become one at a cellular level in your body.."
Now how on earth did you get that DJ Caleb is saying to abandon your bibles out of that? Seriously? He's talking about speaking out praise for God when you are dancing, and that that becomes more than just words, you feel the Holy Spirit inside you.
So I want you to show me where it says in scripture NOT to seek the presence of the Holy Spirit. And I want you to show me in scripture where it says NOT to speak praises to God. And I want you to show me in THE WORD OF GOD where it says NOT to Dance before God.
If you remember in 2nd Samuel, David danced before God and his wife Micah made fun of him for it and chastised him. She was barren for the rest of her life. Now let me ask you, who do you think is FOR dancing in ecstacy before God, and who is against it?
I rebuke you spirit of religion in the name of Jesus Christ!
Furthermore, when you refer
Furthermore, when you refer to the "..it's no longer that you have to study the word, it's that your inside of an infused atmosphere..and the word is coming" have you considered why he used the word "study"?
Since your so accurate in your judgements, do you know the difference between "studying" the word vs. "recieving" the word? Because surely you didn't just take one thing out of context and declare him a pagan without listening to the rest of his sentence did you? He is talking about a prophetic movement of the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul asked you to fervently pray for a prophetic gifting. That way you can hear directly from the Holy Spirit, and then see if it lines up with scripture. But you probably don't believe that God is able to speak to us, even though scripture itself says that his Spirit (Holy) will be poured out in the last days.
So what he is saying is that you dont have to read the bible like a college textbook seeking just knowledge and mental understanding. Satan did after all start all sin in us with lusting after knowledge and knowing LIKE God. This man is asking you to read the bible not to know LIKE God, but to KNOW God. That is the entire context in which he was saying it.
Remember what Gamaliel said when Jesus was being tried? If it's not of God, let it fall by itself. If it is of God, who are we to stand against it?
Why the need to accuse DJ Caleb so fiercly? Who's spirit is the accuser of the brethren, Satan's or Jesus's?